3 different addresses in an order is to much

Now, it is probably useless that I am even writing this, but anyway:

I just had another "problem/order not arrived" order I refunded because I couldn't make sure I shipped to the Paypal, shipment or billing address. third time this month, all small amounts, so it is NOT about the money. The parts are probably on their way back to me like the other orders where the same issue occurred. This is absolutely not in the best interest of the customer.

It is about the (same as email address removed) unprofessional signal we give customers because sometimes we (as sellers) miss the difference in those addresses. 3 addresses in 1 order is just too much for me, especially with 2 different parties legally claiming we MUST ship to this or that address, and about 250 order a month (means checking 750 addresses).

I think I do everything in my power making all my customers happy customers, but sometimes I feel like BO is trying to make this difficult for me.

PLEASE don't see this as a rant against BO. I just have the feeling this site could be so much better, especially when it comes to customer service...

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  • For your information, the billing address is used for credit card purposes, this does not have any effect on where you need to ship the order. The shipping address is where the customer has requested that their order be shipped to. The PayPal address is the address that was provided with the PayPal payment, if you want the payment protection, and this differs from the shipping address, you should discuss the situation with the customer. The easiest thing to do is to just ship all of the orders to the shipping address that the customer has requested the order be shipped to.
  • The simplest thing for us is to compare shipping address to PayPal address on every order. It's part of our normal workflow - create a packing slip with the BO shipping address, compare that to our PayPal payment shipping address.

    Any discrepancies, the order is held and a message sent to the buyer asking which address to ship to. Yes, I am "at risk" of some wily scammer telling me to ship to the BO address and then filing a PayPal claim against me - it doesn't happen, and if it ever did happen the cost would be far less than sending things to the wrong addresses without verifying for the past 18 years. ;) Some things are higher risk (electronics, designer fashion) but not LEGO (or books, our former business).

    Been selling online since 1997, most of that full time, and this policy of ours has never changed, and I've never once had a buyer try to scam me in the "which address should I use" scenario.
  • I would still love to see the shipping address in blue font. I have caught myself writing down the billing or paypal address without thinking and I usually double check and catch it, but someday I know that one is going to slip through.

    Katie
  • I'm not a fan of colour coding/bolding everything as it can get a bit excessive, as the shipping address is the most important I have shifted that up to the top of the addresses.
  • Since the billing address is least important, could that go to the bottom?
    That would keep the shipping address and Paypal address next to each other for easier cross-checking :)
  • I think it would have been better to minimise the other addresses, with a "click to see" expander, rather than adjust the display order of something that many sellers will look at on auto-pilot.
  • I don't understand how the BO ship to address can end up different than the PayPal address. The BO and PP checkout are integrated if your PP account is a business account. Can someone explain this?
  • Buyers can override the PP address with a preferred ship-to address. Perhaps they are in the military or Grandma is sending a gift.
  • from time to time I got this message in the Pp-address: UNKNOWN, CHECK website van PayPal
  • PayPal is a bank system, with there rules and what not.

    The moment a buyer pays via PayPal he agrees on the PayPal terms.
    Buyers use PayPal to get there, well earned, protection, so the sellers also need there protection wich stated in the PayPal agreements and terms.

    Buyers can put multiple ship-to adresses in there own PayPal account, so thats also sorted when they are away for work, or grandma wants to send a present.

    I love brickowl and its Admin, but this is a thing i cant understand, we all use PayPal as a bank / payment system, so we need to comply with there terms of use.

    I dont understand this topic, nor do i understand why Brickowl thinks its entitled to change these PayPal terms.

    Both buyer and seller want and sometimes need there protection, thats the main succes factor of PayPal in the first place.

    Lets assume each and every one brickowl has the right motivation of buying and selling and honestly so, that would mean this is all absolete. Just update your PayPal as a buyer if you wish a diffirent ship to adress but payment via PayPal. thats 2 minutes work, agreed on the fact these adresses need to be checked by PayPal as well, wich can take a bit longer in time.

    Long story short, payment via PayPal is shipped to PayPal verified adress, no matter what!

    Im fine with Brickowl changing the PayPal terms, and obligates me to ship to buyers ship to adress even if diffirent from and paid via PayPal. Then Brickowl is responsible for lost shipments!

    Can we all agree on that :)

    Cheers, George
  • I also don't understand why BO expects us to side-step our PayPal obligations, and thus our only protection. It would be different if BO offered its own protection scheme but it doesn't. The issue of liability is an interesting one - mandating an action while also denying liability for the outcome of that action could be deemed unreasonable, opening BO up to a claim.

    Bottom line, if a user pays with PayPal they should expect that we ship to the PayPal address. I have on occasion elected not to do this rather than have an awkward conversation with the buyer, but valuable orders will go to the PayPal address.
  • edited August 2015 Vote Up0Vote Down
    The shipping address is the address the customer has requested the order be shipped to. The paypal address is the address that comes with the payment, which Brick Owl cannot control. If the addresses differ, and you want to be protected by Paypal seller protection for that order, you should discuss the situation with the customer.

    I should mention it is possible for us to pass the address to paypal, but paypal tries to validate it, regularly resulting in customers who couldn't check out, so we had to disable it. The addresses were "valid" but not how paypal wanted them, which I think people who've used PayPals shipping service have experienced.
  • Yes, this is a common problem with PayPal - if the customer says he lives on Maple St but PayPal wants it Maple Street (or vice versa), it rejects. Communication with the customer in cases where you are not sure where they would prefer you to ship is the key.
  • FWIW, after 30,000 orders in multiple venues, I've never had a single problem shipping anything to the shipping address requested by the buyer regardless of whether or not that matches the PayPal address. I've had a couple of disputes over the years, but I upload the shipping record and have received seller protection (keeping the money originally paid) every time. Honestly I never even looked if the address on the disputes was the PayPal confirmed address or not.

    Everyone is welcome to assess their own risk tolerance, but based on my experience, PayPal will cover shipping to any address as long as you have documentation that that's what the buyer requested.

  • @BrickFeverParts For the record Paypal is not a banking system as we know it. They do not have a US routing number. They are a funds exchange service. Trying to get most US banks to do the same exchange service to another bank generally requires $10+ and several days' time. Paypal is our best equivalent to IBAN but with the protections in place.
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