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Torso Bottom supports suggestion
As we all know there are 3 types of heads:
Solid / Safety Stud / Recessed Solid Stud
These are identified (well most of them are) and have their seperate entry in catalog. It is clear that the solid stud version should be attached as either regular or alternate in many older figs (unlike BL), but that's something that will need to be looked at in the long run, and the inventories would need to be adapted offcourse (by contributors).
One thing BL has never wanted to do is to split up torsos depending on their type of bottom support (or at least offer easy listing possibilities). Adding seperate entries for those would be quite a task, not to mention the huge task to get the right support on the right fig. So I was thinking of something more simple (well from my point of view, maybe not coding wise, that's for Lawrence to decide).
So, the people who have knowledge on this know there are 3 type of supports for torsos
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/ae/d8ba22f87b8a065abcea830b07a7ad.jpg
Hollow, Small indents, X-cross support
Now the idea would be to give contributors the option to select from the submittance page (torsos + automaticly also torso without arms if they are in the inventory of the torso 'with' arms)
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/20/d572de482d5c0babe862673a1357e2.jpg
So the selection would look something like this:
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/4d/ff1ab825bef1e5259239890ba03125.jpg
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/66/ec8f4df0aed703e4989d4f034d08f9.jpg
In case only one type is 'known', automaticly when listing only that version would be available to list (obvious)
In case more then 1 version exists, when listing, one would have multiple options to list (the current '1' version option would be splitted up in 3 options, incase of multiple colors, 3x each color showing in the list)
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/e8/b88cb52a8d059340eb44436ee3bae0.jpg
offcourse a 'U' option must be generated for those who do not like to seperate on a certain type. U=unspecified by seller
and for those who opted to not differanciate molds (only the U type would show for them, or the current 1 version option).
In listings the result would show something like this:
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/c2/fac97edec92e0e89219a42a2d66d11.jpg
for this one only 1 version exists (so not selectable when listing) and all listings would therefor show the same (also for those who did not opt to differenciate molds)
And in case of multiple options it would look like
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/06/c6a1455a1475465a2e2945c5e66c2a.jpg
So the first seller didn't define (U showing), either because the seller selected U (if he/she differenciates molds) OR if the store did not opt to differenciating molds, other listers did define and indicated the version (and maybe one of them has 2 listings offcourse).
Hope all this makes sense, and I hope this can be looked at by Admin.
Lawrence, I'm sure it's much tougher to code then it looks on the little screenshots, but you have repeatedly proven you're quite an excellent coder, so if you see options to do this, that would be awesome :-)
And offcourse I'm looking for opinions of others as well (and the support on this hopefully).
Let's be clear that for those who do not want to differenciate, nothing would (should) change, so nothing to worry about for you guys
Cheers, Eric
Solid / Safety Stud / Recessed Solid Stud
These are identified (well most of them are) and have their seperate entry in catalog. It is clear that the solid stud version should be attached as either regular or alternate in many older figs (unlike BL), but that's something that will need to be looked at in the long run, and the inventories would need to be adapted offcourse (by contributors).
One thing BL has never wanted to do is to split up torsos depending on their type of bottom support (or at least offer easy listing possibilities). Adding seperate entries for those would be quite a task, not to mention the huge task to get the right support on the right fig. So I was thinking of something more simple (well from my point of view, maybe not coding wise, that's for Lawrence to decide).
So, the people who have knowledge on this know there are 3 type of supports for torsos
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/ae/d8ba22f87b8a065abcea830b07a7ad.jpg
Hollow, Small indents, X-cross support
Now the idea would be to give contributors the option to select from the submittance page (torsos + automaticly also torso without arms if they are in the inventory of the torso 'with' arms)
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/20/d572de482d5c0babe862673a1357e2.jpg
So the selection would look something like this:
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/4d/ff1ab825bef1e5259239890ba03125.jpg
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/66/ec8f4df0aed703e4989d4f034d08f9.jpg
In case only one type is 'known', automaticly when listing only that version would be available to list (obvious)
In case more then 1 version exists, when listing, one would have multiple options to list (the current '1' version option would be splitted up in 3 options, incase of multiple colors, 3x each color showing in the list)
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/e8/b88cb52a8d059340eb44436ee3bae0.jpg
offcourse a 'U' option must be generated for those who do not like to seperate on a certain type. U=unspecified by seller
and for those who opted to not differanciate molds (only the U type would show for them, or the current 1 version option).
In listings the result would show something like this:
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/c2/fac97edec92e0e89219a42a2d66d11.jpg
for this one only 1 version exists (so not selectable when listing) and all listings would therefor show the same (also for those who did not opt to differenciate molds)
And in case of multiple options it would look like
http://forum.brickowl.com/utility/thumbnail/FileUpload/06/c6a1455a1475465a2e2945c5e66c2a.jpg
So the first seller didn't define (U showing), either because the seller selected U (if he/she differenciates molds) OR if the store did not opt to differenciating molds, other listers did define and indicated the version (and maybe one of them has 2 listings offcourse).
Hope all this makes sense, and I hope this can be looked at by Admin.
Lawrence, I'm sure it's much tougher to code then it looks on the little screenshots, but you have repeatedly proven you're quite an excellent coder, so if you see options to do this, that would be awesome :-)
And offcourse I'm looking for opinions of others as well (and the support on this hopefully).
Let's be clear that for those who do not want to differenciate, nothing would (should) change, so nothing to worry about for you guys
Cheers, Eric
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Is there a functional difference between the 3 types? In the case of heads, the type of studs can be visible (in the absence of hair or hat), but I can't imagine a aesthetic difference for torso internal supports...
Personally, I wouldn't be fond of documenting variations which aren't visible and for which there is no functional difference.
Brian
Hollow: 1978~1983
Small indents: 1983~1998
Large X-support:1998~now
There are about 2327 different torso's, 2041 different ones have been produced as of 1998, so 87.70% of torsos have the X-support, if you're mainly in LEGO from the last 15 years, then understandbly, you wouldn't know of these differences (I forgive you
Functional difference: from my point of view yes: grip
Aesthetic difference: no
Value difference: quite a bit, particulary between Hollow and Small Indents. And fine tuners will always look for these differences, just in the same way they look for parts with other details like Pat.Pend. Pat.Pend erased, moldpips, the prescense of a part number on the part (as of ~1985) etc.
I know it might be difficult to differenciate all these differences in a selling database (that's what descriptions serve for), but with torsos i'ts quite doable as there is a limited amount of different ones between 1978 and 1998 (only about 300), offcourse some of the ones in the nineties/early 2000's have been produced with small indents, but then later also with X-support, but probably not more then 200. The chances to have the same torso in all 3 versions are slim, except for plain ones, but re-issues (like the torso with moon from the space series) also happen.
There are other differences on torsos in the 1978-1989 range: the color of the hands (nylon type) untill 1982 for example and their attachement (notch) untill 1989, but that would take it to far.
There are also differeces in legs, but hardly noticable, so very hard to seperate those.
When it comes down to functional difference, that's a BL wording, Lawrence has expressed he doesn't want BO to be another BL, and has already done things BL doesn't wanna do (like implementing a color for stickersheets), or isn't yet capable of implementing (autocheckout with autopayment). Anything that offers better tools for both buyers and sellers (and why not: little tabs for Pat.Pend. / Pat.Pend.Erased / mold pips to have indicators in the 'for sale' ones). From what I've seen being done by Lawrence so far, sometimes in 'no time', programming wise, makes it obvious things like that can be implemented, offcourse it depends on time required for him to do, but certainly worthwhile in the long run.
Stragus, to give you an idea (and I have sold such on BO already): A basic 2x8 plate (3034) red, new, recent issue: about 0.11 Euro, same plate, used, with moldpips and no partnumber (1978-1985): 0.35 Euro, same one with PP or PPerased: 0.75 Euro (and it depends on quality of the used ones offcourse). That's about a 600% difference
People wonder why the PG sometimes show extremely ridiculous high prices for certain parts (offcourse the PG doesn't show the type that was sold), well that is mainly the reason...
http://www.brickowl.com/catalog/lego-plate-2-x-8-3034
Check the Price History for red ones:
Look at used, sold: highest is 0.48 Euro (~0.64$), while the average for 'new' ones is 0.11 Euro (~0.14$), it's not because buyers are not comparing and checkout on anything (allthough that happens as well), in many cases it's a delibarate purchase...
Now that's just a plate, imagine on identified molds for minifigparts